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	<title>Comments on: I&#8217;m A Social Media Goody 2 Shoes &#8230; And Proud Of It</title>
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		<title>By: Social Media Marketing Ethics at SMX East by Liana "Li" Evans &#124; SEMClubHouse - Key Relevance Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Social Media Marketing Ethics at SMX East by Liana "Li" Evans &#124; SEMClubHouse - Key Relevance Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 18:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] rather excited to speak about this subject, since over the past few months I&#8217;ve been delving deeper into the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Lisa Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.semclubhouse.com/im-a-social-media-goody-2-shoes-and-proud-of-it/#comment-177</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post.  This topic is relevant to all the maybe questionable topics in our industry (good examples of cloaking, etc. as we all know how those fared in the long run;)  AS SEO professionals we all need to decide how we execute our strategies.  My biggest hope for the industry is that we are transparent with our clients about our tactics.  (I would have a hard time selling a very conservative corporate client on fake avatars).  
Great Horace Greeley quote that says it all, "Fame is a vapor, popularity an accident riches takes wings.  Only one thing endures and that is character."  Marketers who spend time truly adding value for the social community and their clients will win in the long run.  -Best, Lisa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post.  This topic is relevant to all the maybe questionable topics in our industry (good examples of cloaking, etc. as we all know how those fared in the long run;)  AS SEO professionals we all need to decide how we execute our strategies.  My biggest hope for the industry is that we are transparent with our clients about our tactics.  (I would have a hard time selling a very conservative corporate client on fake avatars).<br />
Great Horace Greeley quote that says it all, &#8220;Fame is a vapor, popularity an accident riches takes wings.  Only one thing endures and that is character.&#8221;  Marketers who spend time truly adding value for the social community and their clients will win in the long run.  -Best, Lisa</p>
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		<title>By: li</title>
		<link>http://www.semclubhouse.com/im-a-social-media-goody-2-shoes-and-proud-of-it/#comment-171</link>
		<dc:creator>li</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Rand. I appreciate your sincere efforts.  I really hope people learn from this, both inside your company and people outside watching.

We all make mistakes, we can all learn from them too. :)

~Li</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Rand. I appreciate your sincere efforts.  I really hope people learn from this, both inside your company and people outside watching.</p>
<p>We all make mistakes, we can all learn from them too. <img src='http://www.semclubhouse.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>~Li</p>
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		<title>By: randfish</title>
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		<dc:creator>randfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wanted to add a public apology and more complete explanation here - http://www.seomoz.org/ugc/the-buck-stops-here. Thanks so much for taking my call this weekend, too, Liana.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to add a public apology and more complete explanation here - <a href="http://www.seomoz.org/ugc/the-buck-stops-here" rel="nofollow">http://www.seomoz.org/ugc/the-buck-stops-here</a>. Thanks so much for taking my call this weekend, too, Liana.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine</title>
		<link>http://www.semclubhouse.com/im-a-social-media-goody-2-shoes-and-proud-of-it/#comment-169</link>
		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 15:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rebecca,

Okay, I think we're all tired of this and want closure.  I think something that would help put this whole mess behind us would be to put a note at the beginning of Marty's new version of the article that states this was a re-write and links back to the original comments.  They are part of the history of the article so there should be an easy way to connect them.

Then let's all move on with our lives...it's summer and a weekend.  Time for everyone to quit biting at each other.  Get away from the computer for a while and let's all go have some fun.

Christine</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rebecca,</p>
<p>Okay, I think we&#8217;re all tired of this and want closure.  I think something that would help put this whole mess behind us would be to put a note at the beginning of Marty&#8217;s new version of the article that states this was a re-write and links back to the original comments.  They are part of the history of the article so there should be an easy way to connect them.</p>
<p>Then let&#8217;s all move on with our lives&#8230;it&#8217;s summer and a weekend.  Time for everyone to quit biting at each other.  Get away from the computer for a while and let&#8217;s all go have some fun.</p>
<p>Christine</p>
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		<title>By: FakePERSONA (LOL)</title>
		<link>http://www.semclubhouse.com/im-a-social-media-goody-2-shoes-and-proud-of-it/#comment-168</link>
		<dc:creator>FakePERSONA (LOL)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post Liana. Rand seems sincere, Rebecca, bent out of shape.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post Liana. Rand seems sincere, Rebecca, bent out of shape.</p>
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		<title>By: li</title>
		<link>http://www.semclubhouse.com/im-a-social-media-goody-2-shoes-and-proud-of-it/#comment-167</link>
		<dc:creator>li</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rebecca what else are we suppose to think when you put it up, promote it to the SEOMoz blog.  Then when there's an outcry, "clean it up", put it back down to YouMoz again.  We all think it's over and done with and believe Rand is sincere with his approach.

Then late yesterday you put the article back out there, without the original comments (100+) that were first on that posting.

I'm sorry, but it just really says to a lot of people, "drama gets the site links, and traffic and I guess that trumps everything", including us here at KeyRelevance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rebecca what else are we suppose to think when you put it up, promote it to the SEOMoz blog.  Then when there&#8217;s an outcry, &#8220;clean it up&#8221;, put it back down to YouMoz again.  We all think it&#8217;s over and done with and believe Rand is sincere with his approach.</p>
<p>Then late yesterday you put the article back out there, without the original comments (100+) that were first on that posting.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but it just really says to a lot of people, &#8220;drama gets the site links, and traffic and I guess that trumps everything&#8221;, including us here at KeyRelevance.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca Kelley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca Kelley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"The drama gets the site links, and traffic, and I guess that trumps everything."

It's pretty disappointing if that's what you think our intent was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The drama gets the site links, and traffic, and I guess that trumps everything.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s pretty disappointing if that&#8217;s what you think our intent was.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the explanation Rand.  No hard feelings.

The techniques Marty and others have advocated are amusing and have great entertainment value at conferences.  While these techniques might work in the short run,  I'd place these methods in the same category as invisible text, cloaking, etc...they are short cuts that might work in the near term but carry risk that they may damage the reputation and image of the client.  They aren't worth it.  I cannot advocate such techniques for REAL clients...nor are they necessary.  If you have good products and services you don't have to fabricate avatars and the rest.  Real live customers love giving reviews and testimonials.  

Honesty and integrity may be old fashioned, but they are still the right way to do things....apparently I'm not alone in my thinking on this as we've received a number of emails of support.  I was also touched by a post by &lt;a href="http://www.traffick.com/2008/07/candy-ass-social-media-goody-2-shoes.asp" rel="nofollow"&gt;Andrew Goodman&lt;/a&gt; with whom I share sentiments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the explanation Rand.  No hard feelings.</p>
<p>The techniques Marty and others have advocated are amusing and have great entertainment value at conferences.  While these techniques might work in the short run,  I&#8217;d place these methods in the same category as invisible text, cloaking, etc&#8230;they are short cuts that might work in the near term but carry risk that they may damage the reputation and image of the client.  They aren&#8217;t worth it.  I cannot advocate such techniques for REAL clients&#8230;nor are they necessary.  If you have good products and services you don&#8217;t have to fabricate avatars and the rest.  Real live customers love giving reviews and testimonials.  </p>
<p>Honesty and integrity may be old fashioned, but they are still the right way to do things&#8230;.apparently I&#8217;m not alone in my thinking on this as we&#8217;ve received a number of emails of support.  I was also touched by a post by <a href="http://www.traffick.com/2008/07/candy-ass-social-media-goody-2-shoes.asp" rel="nofollow">Andrew Goodman</a> with whom I share sentiments.</p>
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		<title>By: randfish</title>
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		<dc:creator>randfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 03:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Li - just wanted to make sure you knew the order of events and how it played out, so you're not under any false impressions.

Yesterday, Marty submitted the post, Rebecca skimmed (not carefully) and published to the main blog. Not her best move, but she assumed that someone like Marty, who we know personally and have spent plenty of time with wouldn't make any big errors of judgment.

Last night around 10:30pm, I read the post, didn't like what I saw, and commented about it. I also emailed Rebecca &#38; Sarah. I'm not in the habit of second-guessing anyone's work here at SEOmoz, particularly in public. I think a great company needs to respect the work its employees do, so I certainly wasn't go to pull down the post or override Rebecca's decision until I conferred with her. I also emailed with some others who had been offended by the post (I'm sorry that I didn't shoot you an email as well).

This morning, Rebecca, Sarah and Marty chatted and decided to make some edits and pull it back down to YOUmoz (rather than the main blog). I was happy they'd sorted it out. I know it took longer than was optimal, but I want you to know that there was no ill will or malice intended. I know Marty in person could have made these remarks and been understood with his sense of humor and sarcasm, but I agree that online, in writing, they don't come across as well. I apologize that our blog system was the source of the content, and certainly you can expect we'll be extra vigilant going forward. We made a mistake in relaxing our editing standards and oversight, but I'm sure Rebecca's Eagle eye will make a rousing comeback :)

I hope no offense was taken, and I'm sorry for the part that my company's content-distribution/social-media/ugc-blog-platform played in it. Please do give Marty a second chance as well, I think his intentions are much more benign that the message that came across.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Li - just wanted to make sure you knew the order of events and how it played out, so you&#8217;re not under any false impressions.</p>
<p>Yesterday, Marty submitted the post, Rebecca skimmed (not carefully) and published to the main blog. Not her best move, but she assumed that someone like Marty, who we know personally and have spent plenty of time with wouldn&#8217;t make any big errors of judgment.</p>
<p>Last night around 10:30pm, I read the post, didn&#8217;t like what I saw, and commented about it. I also emailed Rebecca &amp; Sarah. I&#8217;m not in the habit of second-guessing anyone&#8217;s work here at SEOmoz, particularly in public. I think a great company needs to respect the work its employees do, so I certainly wasn&#8217;t go to pull down the post or override Rebecca&#8217;s decision until I conferred with her. I also emailed with some others who had been offended by the post (I&#8217;m sorry that I didn&#8217;t shoot you an email as well).</p>
<p>This morning, Rebecca, Sarah and Marty chatted and decided to make some edits and pull it back down to YOUmoz (rather than the main blog). I was happy they&#8217;d sorted it out. I know it took longer than was optimal, but I want you to know that there was no ill will or malice intended. I know Marty in person could have made these remarks and been understood with his sense of humor and sarcasm, but I agree that online, in writing, they don&#8217;t come across as well. I apologize that our blog system was the source of the content, and certainly you can expect we&#8217;ll be extra vigilant going forward. We made a mistake in relaxing our editing standards and oversight, but I&#8217;m sure Rebecca&#8217;s Eagle eye will make a rousing comeback <img src='http://www.semclubhouse.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I hope no offense was taken, and I&#8217;m sorry for the part that my company&#8217;s content-distribution/social-media/ugc-blog-platform played in it. Please do give Marty a second chance as well, I think his intentions are much more benign that the message that came across.</p>
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